Burnout - Stop the Fire

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Welcome to The Business Animal podcast. settle up for a

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gallop to the top of the animal industry, where you'll learn how

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to tame your wild business beast, with tips, techniques,

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and tools that will take overwhelm to obedience school.

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And have you wagging your tail with joy. And now your hosts,

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Kim Beer, and Cara Taylor Swift.

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Hey there business animals. It's Kim with

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Be More Business.

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And Cara with Fast Horse photography. Hi, Kim.

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Good morning. How are you?

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I'm doing good. Cara. How are you doing?

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I'm doing good. We just got off a meeting

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with our pal Phyllis and planning out all the exciting

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stuff for Cal gross cameras next year, and which is rapidly

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approaching. So I'm actually in a really good mood this morning,

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because I got to have girl chat this morning.

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Nice. Yes. It's always a good morning to start

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out that way. I know. So here's the thing I keep telling them.

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They're they're on East Coast time. And I'm Central. So I have

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to get up an hour earlier. And I just rolled out of bed to go to

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that meeting. So yeah, that's the one one pleasure about

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working at from home is well, there's I guess a lot of them.

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But one of the bigger ones for me is I can like My commute is,

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you know, five seconds.

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Yeah, it helps. It makes it easier.

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Normally, that's my commute. But this morning, I had to get up

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and drive out to the horses and feed all the animals and then

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drive back in time to get my son to school. So I've been up for

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hours at this point.

Kimberly Beer: 00:01:26

Yeah. So you're, you're, you're just ready to go

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ready to go. Well, caffeinated. Well caffeinated. Well, you

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know, that sort of dovetails weirdly with our subject today,

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which is burnout. And so I love seeing you all chipper and

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happy. Because a couple of weeks ago, when we would get on these

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calls, you weren't quite that chipper and happy you were in

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the middle of your season, and it was kind of getting heavy and

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weighing on you. And I don't know, if you were approaching

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burnout, I was really having to drag myself. Yeah, but I know

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you were it was it was like getting harder and harder to

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maintain your happiness on some days.

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Well, and that's, you know, we're talking about

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burnout today. Obviously, for folks that are listening, I

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think they picked up on that. But that's kind of one of those

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things is that you can only maintain that that level of

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intensity, I think for so long. I know I can only maintain that

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level of intensity for so long. So as much as I love the

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successfulness of my season, there's a reason that it's a

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season and that it tapers down and comes to an end. So I can

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work on some other things and regroup and reevaluate and take

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a big break, which I'm looking forward to now that the holiday

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season is like here, literally here.

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Yes, it's literally here. And now you have

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joined Phyllis and I in our more quiet time. So both of us have

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been enjoying that for a little bit. Right now I'm enjoying the

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holiday party season. So I'm enjoying going out. I know

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that's not so much fun for everybody on the world. But I

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absolutely adore going out networking and going to all of

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the holiday parties, whether it be personal parties, or whether

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it be professional, which I attend a lot more of the

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professional ones in the personal ones. But yeah, so

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that's kind of what I've been up to a little bit. So burnout is

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very real for entrepreneurs. And I don't know of an entrepreneur

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that's been in business for very long, that hasn't experienced it

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in some form or fashion at least once and maybe multiple times in

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the process of being a business owner. And it's because we all

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have a lot of long hours, we have lots of bosses, which are

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our clients, and an oft neglected life away from our

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businesses. And that can really put a stress on everything in

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our in our lives that ends up killing our joy and stealing

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away a lot of precious forward motion in our business because

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burnout is one of those things that does it halts your business

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and sometimes even takes it backwards in in the process. So

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it is really important to understand it and understand

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what it looks like when it's coming into your world.

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Well, and couple that with things like inflation that

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we're experiencing right now, gas prices that are going up and

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down. A lot of us and animal based businesses spend way too

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much time in our cars, working from our cars and on the road,

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dealing with things especially this time of year with the

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holidays and trying to get orders out to clients in time

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for Christmas things like shipping and production delays.

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If we have employees trying to find employees, just the hiring

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crisis in general trying to find people to work for us vendors to

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work for us, and then being able to afford like rising salaries,

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things that like the political climate like there's always

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something different happening in the political class. Amid that

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can really contribute to small business burnout rates. I don't

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know that we often think about some of these outside

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influencers, but especially things like inflation, gas

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prices, shipping and production delays, the hiring crisis, those

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things directly impact us as business owners all the time.

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And I would add to that, even something as simple as the way

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we communicate with each other these days can take a toll. I've

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said this before on the show, I'm someone that struggles with

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context and text messages and direct messages. So I tend to

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have a lot of anxiety and stress around the way that a text

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message is written and how I interpret it. So things like the

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fact that we can't just always pick up the phone and just call

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each other to understand and really feel each other out can

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be, it can be something that adds a lot of stress to my life

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and kind of narrows down on triggers that lead me to burn

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burnout, what do you think about that?

Kimberly Beer: 00:05:55

I think that's a very insightful insight into

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something that I don't think about very often. And it can

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make a difference in how you perceive someone the inflection,

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you put in the way that they structure their text, or that

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you hear it by I think that's different for different people.

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But it's, it's true, and sometimes, you know, a text can

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have a tone that you perceive it having a tone, and it really

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doesn't have one attached to it. i That's I think why I'm very, I

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guess cognizant of that, because that's why I like to use emojis

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and my LOL, which is my way of disarming someone, when I send

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them a text message that might be construed a little wrongly is

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to make sure i i use some type of a head that maybe puts the

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the changes, or at least puts a twist to it that the other

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person will feel comfortable with. Gosh, I hope I'm good at

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that Cara, I now you have me all worried I'm really going to

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second guess my testing.

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Great, that was not my idea is to make you

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worry. But I do have to ask Have you ever experienced burnout

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before, as a professional?

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I have I've experienced burnout as a

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photographer, it particularly, I think that anybody who turns

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their passion into a business or turns their talent into a

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business, yeah, it sort of creates this space where you may

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have used that or accessed it would probably be a better term,

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you've accessed that. That particular thing in the past,

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like, for me, the photography was a way to, to get myself out

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of depression or I accessed it when I was sad or accessed it

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when when I needed a creative or needed an emotional boost,

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because it was something creative. When you monetize

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that. And now you're doing it for money. A you can get

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overwhelmed with it, or you do it so much that you lose that

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contact or access to it as a resource to to re energize

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yourself. In other words, I guess it's draining your cup

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instead of refilling it or it's draining it faster than it can

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refill it. And when that happens, I think burnout is a

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very real thing. And there was a period of time in my

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photography, part of my business where I set my camera down and

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didn't use it a lot at all. I mean, I pretty well, it was like

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I had to be sort of, it had to be something that I felt almost

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guilty if I didn't shoot. I mean, it was more than money. It

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was it got to be a little bit detrimental for me. And I

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stepped away from photography for a while, and then picked my

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camera back up, thankfully and was like, Oh, I remember now why

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I was doing this and I came at it a little different angle to

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say, I'm going to be more careful this time around in not

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in making sure that the creative cup fills as fast as it drains.

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And that that tremendously helped. As far as my other other

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endeavors. Yes, I've been burned out, especially when on computer

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stuff. Like if I get stuck in front of this computer for a

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really long period of time day after day after day. I get

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really resentful I get irritable. I mean, there's just

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there's a ton of ways that shows up. And yeah, it's just not a

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good thing. So learning how to recognize that in myself. And

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when that pattern starts to happen is a big is a big way

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that I can challenge the pattern and say okay, I feel that coming

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in. I'm going to do something different.

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I love that I've really struggled with this

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idea of burnout in my life because for for anyone who's

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just tuning in, this is their very first episode. I did

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domestic violence and sexual assault where As part of my

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early career for many, many years, and it was work that I

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did that was more than a job it was, I used to tell people that

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my work defined me like it defined who I was. And so when I

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reached a place where I basically was experiencing

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vicarious trauma from the folks that I worked with, and their

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experiences and hearing stories over and over and over again and

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getting to where the phone would ring, and I would have a body

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body response to the to the ring tone of my phone, which I still

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have to this day, if that tone, I had to switch my ringtones if

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I still hear that ringtone, I have a physical risk reaction to

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it, I was getting to the point where I couldn't handle it

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anymore. And I ended up leaving my job and there's nothing that

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is more. Well, it's sad and life shifting than when you're when

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you burn out on your identity, if that makes sense, like when

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you something that you have defined yourself as. And for me,

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that was a domestic violence and sexual assault advocate. And it

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was more than a job. And so when I burned out in that career, it

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left a hole that has to this day, not completely been field

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filled in the right way, if that makes sense. So I say that

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because I don't I want to make sure that for me, when I talk

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about this concept of burnout, it's more than like, I'm tired

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of this work or entirely this job for some people that can be

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ever life shifting and identity shaping and identity. I'm not

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destroying, but it really shifted my identity. And I had

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to do a lot of work to like, really think about how do I

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define myself now? And does my career really need to be so much

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of my identity, if that makes sense? So there was a lot there.

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So this is something that is close to my heart, this topic.

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And I like that we're talking about I think this is a good

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time of year to talk about it as we start thinking about like

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goals for next year. And planning what we want our our

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career to look like and our life to look like next year.

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Absolutely. And what you bring up is really

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important about trauma in any aspect of your life. But we

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don't often consider business as someplace where we would

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experience trauma. But it is it can happen. And I just want to I

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don't think you know this, I don't think I've ever shared it

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with you. But back in the early 2000s. As a photographer, I was

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traveling a lot and doing horse shows. And while I was gone to

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an event, shooting a horse show, some people broke into my home

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and office and completely destroyed it, and stole

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everything. Every piece of camera and computer equipment I

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owned that was at home, only thing I had left was what was

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with me. And that I will tell you, I was already tired from

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the horror shows. But that level of trauma, it was hard for me to

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overcome in my business. And I think it's related to this topic

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that we're talking about today. I think that you're very right.

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It's not just being tired. It's it's maybe even feeling like the

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world is against you or you're not, you know, things are

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happening that aren't supporting your business. And so it feels

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uncomfortable to continue on. And I know for me after that

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that was a huge hit. For me to recover from it. I did,

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obviously, but it definitely was a derailing moment to somebody

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who was already struggling and that that can compound these

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these issues. And I think that's why we need to be really aware

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as business owners of when we're starting to see the pattern of

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burnout and getting good at recognizing it. And I know we're

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gonna get to the big three here in a second. But Cara has a

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really nice little list here of some ways that you can kind of

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assess yourself and say, am I am I maybe heading towards a

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burnout episode? And possibly a way to derail that?

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:14:10

Yeah, I will tell you guys, anyone who's

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listening that the you can go online and there's any number of

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quizzes that you can take or checklists that you can look at

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that have, you know, indicators that you might be on the cusp of

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burnout or or they're already I have compiled a short little

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list of things that I feel like have shown up personally in my

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life and I thought I would share them. So start by identifying

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what burnout can look like. Like a smallest owner, so let's go

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there. So feeling rundown and drained after working. I mean,

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some folks might say Well, that sounds like a good workday.

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You're exhausted. This is something a little different. I

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think it's it's more of a an emotional draining than maybe a

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physical draining, having negative thoughts about work,

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feeling easily irritated by clients by coworkers by people

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that we spend time with regularly on the job, just those

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people are really irritating, feeling less sympathetic with

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the people that you work around. So, you know, I think about

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people who are, you know, you're working with maybe animals that

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are, you know, they have owners that have sick animals or you're

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working with, you know, any number of things where you're

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working with people that they have a story and they need to

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tell you, and maybe you don't quite have the patience to

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listen to it anymore. Or you've heard it all before, and you're

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not taking the time to really listen, feeling unappreciated

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feelings of underachieving, like, you're just not

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accomplishing the things that you want to accomplish. Just

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procrastination. I mean, we've had a whole episode on the issue

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of procrastination, but this is just you're just putting things

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off over and over and over again. And this one is one that

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it's it was funny, when I first thought of it, it's

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forgetfulness, missing appointments, late invoices,

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late client orders or delivery, not returning phone calls, some

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of this can fall under the procrastination, but when you

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think about it, in terms of forgetfulness, like there's just

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a lot of overwhelm happening, and you are someone if you're

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like me that you're very calendered, you're very

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scheduled, you're prompt, your early if you're not early,

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you're late, you know that mentality, and you start just

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missing appointments. And I remember this happening to me,

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and I was so shocked, like, how is this happening? You know, I

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have a calendar, I have two calendars, you know. So these

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are just a few a very small list. But if you if you hop

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online and google signs, symptoms of burnout, there are

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probably 10 times this that you'll see pop up. And it's

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there's some of the quizzes on there are pretty good, too, that

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you could do and then just give you an indication of how you

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might be doing on that spectrum.

Kimberly Beer: 00:16:45

Yes, it is. But I want to, I want to say

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something, a couple of things. First, when you read that list,

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it triggers me to think about a lot of the people that I work

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with that have nonprofits around Animal Rescue, I see burnout

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happen in that group so frequently, because they're

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dealing with such high trauma stories and and things that are

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disturbing on a whole different level. And when you do that, I

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think you ramp up just like when you were working at the domestic

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violence shelter, I think you ramp up. Yeah, the trajectory

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for burnout. And the end all be all of burnout can be horrific.

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Everyone I mean, I just I do not want to understate the the

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everything. It can be life ending. I mean, it's it's not a

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good thing. Yeah. And that's why checking on these things are so

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important. checking in with yourself, checking in, in on, on

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those around you if you start to see some signs that that maybe

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burnout is sort of taking over for someone that you know, or

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that you're that is a fellow business owner. And and then

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just getting the help that you need assistance, not even help

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just assistance somebody to guide you to get you back on the

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path where you can be healthy and continue to do what you're

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doing. So please take this subject very seriously, when

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it's that I it's one thing to procrastinate a few things, it's

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another of the procrastination has a deeply rooted reason, I

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always say there's nobody procrastinates because they want

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to be a procrastinator. There's a reason for it, it can be a

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good reason. Or it can be a bad reason. So you've got to take a

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look at those things and start to really understand and yes, I

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think it's time to launch into the big three, you want to cover

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that Cara?

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:18:43

Sure. The first of the Big Three is kind

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of what we've been talking about already the identification side

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of things. So identifying the stressors, causing the burnout.

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And, you know, we have on here be thorough, and I know Kim will

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talk a little bit about that you know, what's happening, what's

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coming up, and also what is in the background, maybe that's

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pulling some of that the big three. Number two is you got to

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do the work. You've got to take the steps to halt the burnout.

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And we're gonna give some ideas around that. And then the third

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thing is it might be time to do something different. And we'll

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dive into that as well. I'll let you take off with that, Kim.

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Absolutely. So every time that you find

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yourself having a reaction, instead of being able to choose

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a response, there is something bigger than what is in front of

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you going on. So for example, if you are having a conversation

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with a client and they say something, and you have a

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reaction to that or there's a reaction around this happened

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for me for burnout when I was a graphic designer, if people

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would give a certain criticism when I was starting to get

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burned out as a graph Like designer I would get I would

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have a reaction, I would be like, What are they talking

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about, they don't know what they're talking about. They're

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not graphic designers, they, that would just look absolutely

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stupid. And I would have a, like a visceral reaction to, to a

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client's probably legitimate desire to change something in

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their branding or logo or something i That was a big hit

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for me that something was up there. So every time you find

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yourself having a reaction, there is generally something in

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the background that is at the root of that, and it's not the

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situation that's in front of you. It's that situation in

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front of you is just a trigger for what actually happened long

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ago. So for me, I received a lot of I'm How do I say it uncorrect

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or not right or not warranted criticism as a as a child and a

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teenager in particular. And I know teenagers are all a little

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bit off. But in this case, it was it was, it was not good. So

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it wasn't a case of I was just doing something strange. And

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there was a, there was some fallout for that. It was

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unwarranted. And I carried that around with me into my

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adulthood. And then when I sit with clients, at first, it was

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okay, right, I had a really nice line drawn in my head and in my

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body. And then when I started to get a little tired, when I

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started to get to that edge of of becoming burned out or

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overextended and overwhelmed, that just makes the nerves all

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that much more raw. Right? So then that would start to show

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up, I had to go back and take a look at okay, what is it the

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root of that, I need to clear that up. And then I'll be able

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to sit with this new new situation that's in front of me

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with a different perspective, it's not going to touch on that

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nerve any longer. Because we've cured the nerve pain, we're

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going to go and take a look at it in a totally different way.

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And it made it so that I could sit with clients who wanted to

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rearrange things that possibly I wouldn't agree with. And I would

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be able to move those things around for them without any

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attachment, that it basically takes the charge off of that

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nerve, and then it doesn't get it's not as tender any longer

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and you're able to move forward. But if you live in that space,

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where the things keep coming at you that are causing those

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reactions, the reactions take their toll on everything in your

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system, they take your their toll on your body, they take

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your toll on your thoughts, they take the toll on how you

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interact with other people, they just it just is insidious in

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getting into multiple different corners in your life. And so

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when you see yourself getting there towards the edge of that

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you need to start taking a look at say, Okay, I need to go back

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and figure out where this is. And sometimes it's it's in your

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childhood, sometimes it's in your young adulthood, sometimes

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it's last freaking week, you know. So it's, there's something

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there that needs to be examined. And when I know that I'm

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treading down this path, and I need to get really clear about

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where these things are coming from. It's when I'm experiencing

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one of three things and that resentment, overwhelm or

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frustration, when I start to feel one of those three

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emotions, it is time for me to take a look at exactly what is

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triggering that. Like when when it's the most intense. What am I

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doing? what's being said what is what's the situation, and then

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to pick up the cord and follow that back to its root where it's

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plugged into the wall, and I can go okay, now I see your outlet.

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Let's unplug you and take that electricity away from that

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moment. There's a chem metaphor for Yeah, I was

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:24:19

gonna say that's probably the most clear

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metaphor I've ever heard for getting to the root of the

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:24:25

problem. And I love that and I think it that segues us really

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nicely into big three number two, which is doing the work.

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:24:34

And I love that because if you can, if you can sit down and say

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:24:41

here I am at the end of the day and I'm crying in my car after

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:24:44

work. I'm not I've been there. Yeah, just crying in my car

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:24:48

after work. Why am I crying? It's not because of the

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:24:51

conversation I just had with my boss. There's there's other

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:24:55

things I need to follow that cord back to where this is

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:24:57

really coming from. And I love that. And one of the things that

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you know, in my past work, when you talk about doing the work

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:25:04

that would come up a lot is they would talk about this idea of

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:25:08

self care. And we've talked about self care on the show more

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:25:11

than once bubble bath, talk about taking a bath. Yeah, don't

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:25:15

even get me started on the bubble baths. But they would

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talk about it in this way that was like, You need to be doing

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self care and self care might look like a bubble bath. And I

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:25:26

would get I remember getting so there was my resentment popping

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:25:29

up right? In that moment, I remember getting really annoyed,

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:25:31

because to me those things, they're not solving the big

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:25:35

picture, if you don't have a continuous awareness that

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burnout can always be on the horizon. Like, if you're not

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doing the work, and creating a culture around you that

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:25:47

supportive of that, then it's all just lip service, you know,

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you're not actually doing the work, you're just putting like a

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:25:53

band aid over the top of it. And then expecting everything else

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to go as usual, continue the work as usual, continue doing

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the things that you do every single day. And we're going to

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:26:03

stick a bandaid over the top of this little feeling of

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:26:07

resentment that you're having, we're going to stick a bandaid

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:26:09

over the top of the overwhelm and over the frustration, but

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:26:13

we're not doing anything at a at a deeper level to actually do

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:26:17

the work to fix the problem. Before you get to a point where

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you're at a career ending place in your burnout,

Kimberly Beer: 00:26:23

I want to add to my metaphor, it's like instead

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of going back and finding the plugin, where the nerve is that

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you plug a toaster into that outlet and throw it in the

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bathtub with you while you're taking your bubble bath. I could

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see

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too much for that doesn't help you does it?

Kimberly Beer: 00:26:40

No, it does not additionally see that it does

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not help at all, we do have a few things

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that you know, if you're going to be

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following Kim's chord back, you're going to be following it

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back to getting to the root of, of where this is coming from

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where these feelings are coming from that leads to burnout,

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there are some things that you can do to process some of that

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:27:03

and get through some of that. And, well, Kim, you have several

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:27:06

things listened to here, do you want to go ahead and start with

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:27:08

the start with them,

Kimberly Beer: 00:27:09

I think the thing I'm gonna say the biggest thing

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to do is sometimes you need a guide, because you can't find

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the cord. That just is the reality of the situation, it's

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sort of like that metaphor of not being able to see the forest

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for the trees in front of you. And that's where having someone

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who has a guide that can help you do that. And then that can

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show up in many different ways. It can be a gestalt Assist,

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which is what I would recommend, or a therapist or a coach, or

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even just a really, and I don't want to say just they're so even

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a really close friend, who is willing to be really honest with

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you and who you will not resent. If they are honest, on a nerve

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point, that's the one good thing about going to a gestalt test,

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or a therapist or a coach is that indifference difference

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from a friend is that that's something if you do hold a

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resentment against a coach, you know, oh, well, that's that. But

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if you if they're a good coach, hopefully that would never

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happen. But a good friend, you don't want to, you don't want to

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damage that relationship. All that aside, you do occasionally

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need help finding the cord in the mess of cords that creates

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gets created in our lifetime, you may need help finding the

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one that specifically needs to be disconnected for this event.

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So other ways that you can start to trace that down on your own,

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however, are journaling, I do an exercise when I get really

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stressed out or I find myself being having starting to have

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those reactions, and I can't get somewhere to have someone else

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help me because I will reach out for help. I will journal about

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it. And I'm not a big journal er, I'm not a let's get up in

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the morning and journal kind of girl. But if I'm stressed out

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about something, and I can get a piece of paper and free, right,

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which is where you do not let your internal editor have an

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opinion, because no one is ever going to see it. It's not a big

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deal. So make the negotiation up front, there's no editing and

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just write whatever comes into your head. In general, if you

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are in that emotional state around the reaction, when you

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start to write it down, it starts coming out as just like

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anger and a little bit of vitriol and then eventually

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you'll get down to the real issue. So it's a way to find

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that. So those would be I guess my two biggest tips or another

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one is look to your network to see if there's somebody there

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that has experienced something similar that can maybe help you

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understand it from a different perspective. That's always

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really nice when it's something that's very deeply industry

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related. That is triggering it, but I think you have to have at

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least a notion of where you're going with that. What about you,

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Carol? But what are some ways that you perceive doing the

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work?

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:30:03

Absolutely. So I love the idea of look to

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your network. I mean, I have people, I have multiple networks

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:30:09

that I feel like I can pull from any time, the thing you have to

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:30:13

be careful about, I think with networks is that if they're in

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:30:16

the same rut that you are, you can spiral together into

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:30:22

negativity and into Seto, so really think about your network

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:30:26

and the kind of conversations that you're having, and are

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these people that are helping you get to the root of it, are

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they coming along for the ride. And you know, I'll say it over

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:30:35

and over again, this is what we're talking about here in

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:30:38

terms of doing the work, you are not going to bubble bath your

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:30:40

way out of a burnout, you're not going to vacation, your way out

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:30:44

of a burnout, those things are lovely, certainly go take a

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:30:47

bubble bath, if you're a bubble bath person, go on a vacation,

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:30:50

we all need more vacations, but you're going to come back from

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:30:53

vacation and those that burnout is going to be waiting for you

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:30:56

only, it's going to have an additional workload on top of

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:31:00

it, because you've been gone for a week, you know, so I, I've

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:31:04

never been someone that says, Oh, you just need a vacation to

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:31:07

get over your burnout, that's not going to happen, you really

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:31:08

do have to follow the threads, you really do have to take some

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:31:11

extra steps and do the work. And it could be something you know,

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:31:15

see a coach, the therapist, a gestalt just looking to your

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:31:19

network, take some classes on how to manage your stress and

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:31:23

emotions. And you know, any of that is helpful. But you do

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:31:27

actually have to do the work. And it's not just going to it's

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not going to go away on its own. I've even tried moving positions

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:31:34

within companies or taking on different roles. And if you

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:31:39

don't do the work in the stresses are still there. And

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:31:43

the feelings are still there. It's not going to help a lot in

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:31:47

my opinion.

Kimberly Beer: 00:31:48

Nope, it sure won't. It sure won't. Are we

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ready to move on to number three, which is the one that I

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think scares everybody when it comes to burnout is that

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sometimes you need to do something different. And for

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entrepreneurs, sometimes this feels like so, so much not an

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option, right? For me, when I've experienced burnout, I have been

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confronted with the choice of Do you really want to continue to

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be a business owner? Would you rather go get a job somewhere?

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Or would you rather stay in this environment? And I will tell you

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every time that decision has been presented to me, except for

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one, I have chosen to keep my business that I think the first

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time probably it came up really heavily for me. I did stop the

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business, I actually went bankrupt, which made me a vape.

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Some people could consider that a forced business stop. It

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really wasn't it was a decision of do I want to sink more money

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in this? Or do I want to go ahead and pull the plug now and

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say we're done. And I went back to a day job. And it was a real

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quick reminder of why I left that day job and why the burnout

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there. And I'm going to tell you the burnout from that was still

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there. So every other time I've been confronted with that

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choice. I've said to myself, I don't want to not be a business

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owner, I want to stay in business. But something has to

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change inside my business. So the do something different came

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up with, okay, let's take a look at this. And what can you do

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that's different, that will remove this particular thing

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that is causing you so much stress and anxiety and burnout

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out of your way so that if you can't cure it, if you can't

Kimberly Beer: 00:33:37

unplug it, you need to get away from it.

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:33:42

Yeah, I can totally see that. Because I

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:33:44

mean, a lot of times, it can't just be an issue of goodness,

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:33:49

because one of the things I did early on as I was like, You know

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:33:51

what, maybe it's this position, or maybe it's this company, and

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:33:54

I stayed in the same field and move to a different company. And

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:33:56

all I did was drag my burnout with me, you know, and bring

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:00

that attitude with me. And I think a lot of people do that,

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:04

thinking it's going to solve the problem. So sometimes you

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:07

actually have to take a step back and totally like you're

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:10

saying, you know, you still want to be a business owner, Kim and

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:13

I are not sitting here saying you know what, if you're feeling

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:15

burned out, maybe you don't need you need to close your business?

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:18

Absolutely not. But you probably need to reevaluate your goals.

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:23

And that can be your business goals, your life goals, where

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:26

you want to see yourself moving your business to in your life

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:28

to, you know, are your goals too broad? Do they even exist? Do

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:32

you even have goals for your business? Let's start there.

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:36

Maybe we need to look at our goals and say maybe they're too

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:39

big. Maybe we need to make take this big goal and break it down

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:43

into small obtainable goals. So that we're accomplishing things

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:47

because sometimes the simple act of just accomplishing things and

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:51

checking things off that list, we can see progress and we can

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:55

see ourselves moving forward, and that can help in itself. So,

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:34:59

so much Maybe we need to look at how we're managing our time

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:35:03

differently, you know, within our businesses create that to do

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:35:07

lists, we all love to do lists, but created to do lists with

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:35:09

actual set time goals, so that we're getting things done and

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:35:13

including breaks in that and including reward time for when

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:35:16

we knock things out. You know, we're getting ourselves

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:35:19

organized. You know, Kim, and I talk on the show a lot about

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:35:23

work life balance, maybe it's time, maybe it's time to add

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:35:27

more life into the schedule. And I have definitely had to kick

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:35:32

myself over and over again, and remind myself that it's a work

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:35:35

life balance, not a work, work balance with a little life

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:35:38

thrown in there, I have to remind myself that it should be

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:35:42

equal parts, if not more life, and less work, you know, in

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:35:46

trying to build my business goals around that. There is no

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:35:50

shame in delegating, hiring, bringing people in getting a

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:35:55

virtual assistant, you know, getting some of this work that

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:35:59

is time consuming is boring is you know, burnout inducing, put

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:36:05

it on someone else's plate so that you can run other parts of

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:36:08

your business. How many times do we talk about automation? It's

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:36:12

yeah, I mean, we probably have talked about that every other

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:36:14

episode at some point. So start thinking about things in your

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:36:17

business that you can automate, really trying to put some of

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:36:22

this stuff on autopilot so that you can change up that work life

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:36:26

balance, or change up what you do within your business. What do

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:36:30

you what do you want to add to that?

Kimberly Beer: 00:36:32

I don't think I want to add anything to it. I

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think it's I said my piece kind of up in the front. And I think

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everything you've added to it really helps with people

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understanding how to did you talk about boundaries? I don't

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think so. But I'm not very good at boundaries.

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:36:49

setting boundaries, one of the things

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:36:52

that we've talked about before, and especially when we were

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:36:54

prepping for this episode, is there's no shame in setting

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:36:57

boundaries that protect your mental health, physical person,

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:37:02

and protect your emotions, you know that there's no shame in

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:37:06

that. And this is if you're starting to feel any of those

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:37:09

signs and symptoms of potential burnin on the horizon, it might

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:37:13

be a good time to check those boundaries to

Kimberly Beer: 00:37:15

Yes, and I tend to be one of those people in the

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past in particular, a much, much different attitude about it now.

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But in the past, a lot of my burnout was because I did let

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people blow through my boundaries, I would go back and

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look at that do something different. Or in my getting help

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process, I would hear you know, you need to set a clear boundary

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here. And then I would waffle on the boundary and then that would

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cause the burnout to be worse. So I do think boundaries are

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very crucial in this process. And I do think being able to set

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them is very important, and stick to them. And if you can't

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set them or stick to them, that's when you need to go back

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to that person who was working with you or guiding you and get

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a little additional help because there's a why for that, too. So

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there's a how and a why that happens.

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Excellent. All right. Well, just to recap,

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burnout is very real for entrepreneurs. And hopefully,

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there's not too many folks out there that are listening that

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are saying oh my gosh, that sounds like me, or I really need

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:38:23

to do some work. But if you are like, no shame, no embarrassment

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of that Kim and I, as we have expressed here we have so been

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there. And what our hope is with an episode like this is that we

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can give you guys some tools, some resources and some thoughts

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before you reach a place of no return in your life and in your

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:38:44

business in terms of closing your business or changing your

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:38:48

career path totally or leaving, like I did a career that meant

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:38:51

so much to me, we just want to we want to help people see that

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before they get there. So think about things like identifying

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the stressors that cause burnout. doing the work is the

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second of our big three that we talked about. And then maybe

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it's time to do something different and what that might

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look like for you. We hope you've enjoyed this episode.

Cara Taylor Swift: 00:39:09

I've really enjoyed I can check in for folks that I know I can

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check in and I can see what our audience in general has been

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listening to. And you all have been enjoying so many of our

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shows. And I just want everyone to know that we really

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appreciate it. And especially this time of year as we're

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moving into the holidays, we know that things get really

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busy, but we see you still out there listening and we really

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appreciate it. So I'm not sure when this episode is going to be

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out but it'll probably be right around Christmas in the new

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year. So for those that celebrate we want to wish you a

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Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. So if we don't talk to you

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into the new year, we hope that you guys are kicking your

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business off to a good one. Please, if you haven't already,

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check in on social media at The Business Animal. We're on

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Facebook and Instagram. And yeah, we'll see you guys next

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year. Yep. No matter what you celebrate Happy

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holidays or happy December. That's right.

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